Florida governor debate between Crist, DeSantis ahead of midterms

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis squared off towards Democrat and former U.S. Rep. Charlie Crist tonight within the first and solely debate. The stakes had been excessive, with simply two weeks left earlier than Election Day.

The debate aired at 7 p.m. on West Palm Beach’s WPEC-Channel 12 from the Sunrise Theatre in Fort Pierce.

Liz Quirantes of CBS12 News was the debate moderator.

Watch along by tuning into CBS-affiliated stations throughout Florida, or watch the livestream at floridadebate2022.com/.

7:51 p.m.

Quirantes notes that each Crist and DeSantis have said that Nikolas Cruz ought to have gotten the dying penalty for murdering 17 college students and workers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in 2018. She asks if they’d change the regulation that removes the requirement for a unanimous jury in capital instances.

Crist doesn’t reply. “This is one thing we actually agreed on,” he says. “It’s a tough thing sometimes. But whatever it takes to make sure that we can enforce those laws that say there are consequences to your actions.”

DeSantis says he “will ask the Florida Legislature to amend that statute so that one juror doesn’t have veto power over appropriate punishment.”

In closing feedback, Crist begins.

“I want to bring this state back together and not have a divider as governor. I want women to have the right to choose and make their own decisions about your body. I want to make Florida more affordable again. When I was governor, I lowered your property insurance. When I was governor, I lowered your property taxes. When I was governor, I made sure that we have affordable economy even in a recession.

“He’s raised all these things. He’s also raised your taxes. He won’t even tell you that he’ll serve four years if you reelect him. I mean come on, you deserve better than that. Florida deserves better than that.”

DeSantis highlights his report on training, enhancements to the Everglades and lifting lockdown restrictions in the course of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“We have accomplished an awful lot over these four years. We have the largest budget surplus in history. We have a 2.5% unemployment, second-lowest on record and we just delivered the biggest tax relief in the history of the state. We’ve expanded school choice. We’ve protected parents rights, and we’ve done the largest increase in teacher pay in Florida history. And even though it had years of neglect, we made historic restoration for our Everglades and improvements to our water quality because water is the foundation of not just our economy but our way of life.

“And then when a once-in-a-century pandemic hit, I led based on facts, not based on fear. I was always more concerned about protecting your job than I was about saving my own,” he says as Crist supporters boo.

7:45 p.m.

Quirantes strikes on to unlawful immigration, and asks DeSantis why he moved immigrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, and if he thought it was use of taxpayer cash. To Crist, she asks if he believes Florida needs to be a so-called “sanctuary state.”

Crist calls it a “political stunt” and says he does imagine the U.S. has an immigration drawback and that he helps complete immigration reform

“You’re willing to use people like that, in this case they were Hispanics, Venezuelan in particular, and have them as props for your political gain? That’s not how you change policy,” Crist says. “You were inhumane in how you treated these people.”

DeSantis doesn’t tackle the taxpayer value.

“We’ve had millions and millions of people pour in and cross illegally, we’ve had record numbers of fentanyl come in, and now see it ravaging our communities like never before,” DeSantis says. “It’s only when [migrants] they go to D.C., New York or, of course, Martha’s Vineyard that all of a sudden they [pay attention]. … You know why? Because we have elites in this country that want to impose policies on you but they don’t want to suffer the same consequences that you have to in your communities.”

“It’s sad that it comes to this but what we did put this issue front and center,” DeSantis provides.

Crist brings up DeSantis’ time in Congress and says that if he wished to safe the border, he would’ve supported immigration reform. He then means that DeSantis wished to have an immigration drawback to rile up his base for “political scoring,” and that he has not dedicated to staying for 4 years if he’s reelected.

Quirantes then asks what every candidate would do to guard Floridians from overdoses.

DeSantis says he has supported efforts to get harder on fentanyl trafficking. “We’re going to treat you like the murderer that you are,” DeSantis says.

7:41 p.m.

Quirantes raises the subject of gender transition for minors.

DeSantis solutions that “when they say gender-affirming care, they mean giving puberty blockers to teenage girls and teenage boys. They mean doing double mastectomies on young girls. They mean chemically castrating young boys, that is wrong.

“We are not going to allow that to happen in the State of Florida. A lot of kids go through a lot of different things,” he says, and means that nobody needs to be allowed to do it as a result of “a number of people” are adults and remorse it.

“It’s inappropriate to be doing that,’’ he says. “Basically that’s genital mutilation.”

Crist responds that the choice needs to be left to households and their medical doctors.

“This reminds me (of) your position on a woman’s right to choose. You think you know better than any physician or any doctor or any woman in a position to make decisions about their own personal health. You want to be the judge,” he says.

DeSantis countered: “We’re talking about 13- and 14- and 15-year-old kids, but they are not in a position to know whether they can undergo a radical procedure that physically alters their body. If you’re a 15-year-old, you can’t go get a tattoo in the state of Florida yet we’re saying you can get a double mastectomy. Of course not. It is inappropriate to do this for minors. And in Florida. We are not going to allow that to happen here.”

Before Crist responds, DeSantis addresses him straight and says: “You do support it for minors, you should be honest with the people about that.”

“He talks about it like it’s fun. It’s not,” Crist says. “These are difficult issues and they deserve mature leadership and you deserve to have a governor who understands that a woman has the right to choose, that you need to have somebody who understands and respects that decision.”

7:37 p.m.

Quirantes strikes on to a subject DeSantis has steadily alluded to as he has risen as a nationwide GOP chief: the COVID-19 pandemic response. She asks Crist if he’s “satisfied” together with his method to mandate masks.

“You can keep things open, but you’ve gotta do it with an eye toward what health care providers tell you,” Crist says, saying DeSantis was “arrogant” in his response.

“I made sure you could earn a living, I made sure you could operate your businesses and I worked like heck to make sure we had all our kids in school in person five days a week,” DeSantis says.

“And we had one of the highest death rates in America,” Crist counters.

7:32 p.m.

Quirantes asks DeSantis “in your opinion, after what week of pregnancy, should abortion be banned?”

DeSantis doesn’t reply the query. He says the mom of Supreme Court Justice Renatha Francis, whom he appointed as the primary Jamaican American to the state’s highest court docket, was urged to abort her youngster however selected to not.

“I understand not everyone’s going to be born in perfect circumstances, but I would like to see everybody have a shot. I’m proud of the 15 weeks that we did,” he says, referring to the regulation he signed, which gives no exceptions for rape or incest.

DeSantis says that Crist helps abortion “even though the baby is fully formed, has a heartbeat, can feel pain and can suck their thumb. He also supports that selective abortions, which is used to discriminate against little girls. He supports dismemberment abortions, where they literally will tear the baby limb from limb and he supports taxpayer funding — all the way up until the moment of birth and that is wrong.”

“Congressman, you’re sick,” he concludes.

“Ron, that’s just not the truth and you know it. He wouldn’t answer your question, do you want to ban abortion, he never got to it,” Crist says. “I wouldn’t ban abortion.”

DeSantis shortly assaults Crist in his rebuttal and says he’s a “chameleon,” an assault Crist confronted in the course of the Democratic major from his opponent Nikki Fried.

Some context:

DeSantis has refused to publicly say whether or not he would assist additional abortion restrictions, though high Republican legislative leaders have indicated they intend to pursue laws that bans all abortion in Florida. After the Dobbs choice, the governor praised the Supreme Court ruling and promised that Florida “will work to expand pro-life protections,” however he has not supplied specifics.

Crist has pledged to signal an govt order on his first day in workplace to guard abortion rights in Florida, a transfer that might doubtless draw a authorized problem. He has additionally vowed to veto any laws that makes an attempt to additional restrict reproductive alternative in Florida. When Crist was a Republican governor, he vetoed laws that might have compelled pregnant ladies to get an ultrasound earlier than getting an abortion.

7:26 p.m.

Sticking to the query of training, Quirantes asks about “critical race theory” and the way race and slavery needs to be taught in colleges.

“I don’t want to teach kids to hate our country, I don’t want to teach kids to hate each other,” DeSantis says.

Crist responds that “we shouldn’t have a white-washed approach to educating children.”

“Our schools are doing a decent job and they’re not teaching hate,” Crist says. “We need a governor who cares about education.”

On a query about trainer shortages, Crist says the governor has accomplished little to make lecturers need to keep and train.

DeSantis goes again to his efforts on parental rights, and that he has not compelled kids to get the COVID-19 vaccine. “That is a parent’s decision,” he says.

7:20 p.m.

In introducing a query on training, Quirantes says the pandemic revealed “what was being taught in classrooms” to folks “like never before.” She addresses DeSantis straight and asks why he has made the “Parental Rights in Education” regulation — dubbed by critics as the “don’t say gay” law — a cornerstone of his marketing campaign.

And to Crist, Quirantes asks if he thinks that kids from kindergarten to 3rd grade needs to be taught about sexual orientation.

In his response, Crist talks about how Florida lecturers are underpaid and are being pushed out of the state

“49,000 teachers and staff have left Florida because of the way he is treated in public schools and our state,” he mentioned.

DeSantis counters that his training payments weren’t half of him “waging a culture war.”

“I’m simply defending parents and students. It’s inappropriate to have that in elementary school, it’s inappropriate to tell a six-year-old that they were born in the wrong body,” DeSantis mentioned.”It’s inappropriate to inform an eight-year-old that they could have been born a lady however perhaps they’re actually a boy, that’s fallacious. We must do the fundamentals.”

“Here you go again, Ron,” Crist mentioned. “You love dividing our state.”

DeSantis turned the reply to his daughters, each beneath 5, whom he calls “good athletes.”

“Girls and women athletes have the right to compete fairly,” he mentioned. “I think that’s divisive. I think it’s divisive to rip opportunities away from our girls in the state of Florida.”

“You want to talk about divisive? The day after Charlie Crist won his primary he said, ‘Anyone that supports the governor, you have hate in your heart and I don’t want your vote,’” DeSantis mentioned.

7:15 p.m.

During a query on inflation, DeSantis begins by saying Crist has backed Biden “100% of the time” and touts his administration’s efforts to make some child gadgets tax-free and to scale back toll charges throughout the state.

Crist presses DeSantis on his ambitions: “Talking about Joe Biden, I understand you think you’re gonna be running against him. I can see how you might get confused. … You’re running for governor and I have a question for you. You’re running for governor, why don’t you look in the eyes of the people of the State of Florida and say to them if you’re reelected you will serve a full four-year term as governor?”

“Yes or no Ron?”

DeSantis appears to be like on the moderator and asks whether it is his flip. She says it’s. “I just want to make it very, very clear. The only worn-out old donkey I’m looking to put out to pasture is Charlie Crist,” DeSantis says.

Crist responds: “Well, Ron, we know you love to bully people. I can take it, but you shouldn’t do it when children are standing behind you at a press conference that they’re wearing masks. That’s your nature, and that’s too bad.”

7:13 p.m.

As the gang will get rowdier, cheering and clapping, Quirantes reminds the viewers to cease disrupting the debate and let it transfer ahead. She then introduces a query on the surroundings, pointing on the restoration state of affairs in Southwest Florida after Hurricane Ian.

Crist, who will get the primary likelihood to reply, says Hurricane Ian was a “nightmare” and says what wants to alter is “how we treat a storm before it makes landfall.” He takes a jab at DeSantis’ planning ahead of Hurricane Ian, saying the state ought to’ve had extra time to reply quicker within the barrier islands the place the storm made landfall.

“That’s not a good record and that’s not good leadership. Florida deserves better,” Crist mentioned.

DeSantis shoots again that Florida had linemen and emergency rescuers prepared to reply. He additionally says Crist is attempting to “politicize” the emergency.

“You know what he [Crist] was doing during this? He was hiding out in Puerto Rico,” DeSantis mentioned. “His campaign was soliciting campaign contributions from storm victims. That is unacceptable and that’s not what a leader would do.”

“I stand behind every single one of our local counties,” he provides.

7:08 p.m.

The second query is about addressing Florida’s insurance coverage disaster.

“It’s not about lining the pockets of billboard lawyers, it’s about having a competitive market where people have a shot to make ends meet,” DeSantis mentioned.

Crist counters that DeSantis has taken “the eye off the ball” in Florida, saying the state has develop into the costliest state to reside in. “More than California, more than New York,” he mentioned.

“Property insurance has doubled in the state of Florida. Doubled, Ron,” Crist mentioned.

DeSantis: “His plan would end up capsizing the state of Florida if we get a real storm.”

Here’s some context on property insurance coverage:

According to the Insurance Information Institute, the common premium for a Florida property insurance coverage coverage on a house with $300,000 value of protection went from $1,960 in 2018, when DeSantis took workplace, to $4,231 at the moment, a rise of 116%.

The drawback has been brought on by a contracting market as a dozen property insurers have left the state, and people which might be nonetheless writing have dropped insurance policies and raised charges.

7:02 p.m.

Liz Quirantes of CBS12 News is the debate moderator. Speaking to a raucous crowd, her first query is about housing.

Q: It’s been mentioned that folks vote with their toes and their toes are bringing folks to the Sunshine State by the 1000’s. That has put unprecedented strain on housing. It’s driving rents via the roof and forcing people and households out of their properties.

Crist’s technique is to maintain the deal with abortion. He talked about it instantly.

“You’re going to see a stark contrast in this debate in this election. It’s a stark contrast between somebody who believes that a woman’s right to choose … [and someone who would] sign a bill that would restrict that right. Even in cases of rape or incest.”

On housing, Crist mentioned: “Housing is an incredible issue as well. We have a housing crisis in our state. If you’re buying a home, good luck renting an apartment. And it’s because Gov. DeSantis has taken his eye off the ball. He’s focused on running for president in 2024. And as a result, we have lost things in our state budget.

“Specifically a housing trust fund that has hundreds of millions of dollars that he along with the Legislature have cut, I would restore it. I would make sure that we’re doing everything we can to be sure that housing is affordable again. And along with that goes so many other things — the price of gas, the price of utilities, these things are through the roof.”

DeSantis’ technique is to introduce the difficulty of lockdowns and tie Crist to Biden. “Crist has voted with Joe Biden 100% of the time.”

“The fact of the matter is, over the last two years we’ve now had record inflation all across this country and — 40-year highs. He supports Biden’s energy policies, which has made gas and utilities [rise]. That is wrong. And I would also say this, you mentioned once that people are flocking to Florida, that would not have happened if Charlie Crist had his way. He wrote me a letter in July of 2020 saying you need to shut down the state of Florida. He said you need to force people to shelter in their own homes that would have destroyed the state of Florida.”

Crist’s rebuttal:

“Ron, that’s rich. You’re the only governor in the history of Florida that has ever shut down our schools. The only governor in the history of Florida that shut down our businesses. I never did that as governor. You’re the one who’s the shutdown guy. And not somebody who’s at the helm that understands it’s important to listen to science to do what’s right to utilize common sense. Don’t just shut down at the outset, and then when it’s politically convenient for you, we want to open back up.”

6:59 p.m.

Crist is notorious for requiring that a fan be present each time he provides a prolonged speech. In 2014, former Gov. Rick Scott walked off the stage as a result of he objected to Crist having a fan on the podium. Looks like DeSantis is permitting him to have the fan this time. The announcer says the fan is there “by special request for Congressman Crist.”

Right earlier than the debate began, Crist’s marketing campaign mentioned they “filled his allotted half of the Fort Pierce Sunrise Theater with nearly 150 Florida women” to protest the Florida regulation that bans abortions after 15 weeks of being pregnant, with no exceptions for instances of rape or incest.

“Today — backed by the support of the nearly 150 women at tonight’s debate and the millions more watching at home in Florida and across the country — Charlie Crist will make Ron DeSantis finally answer for his vile, disgusting abortion ban,” mentioned Samantha Ramirez, spokeswoman for Crist’s marketing campaign.

6:06 p.m.

The crowds are already gathering exterior the Sunrise Theater in lovely downtown Fort Pierce.

According to Sarasota Herald reporter Zac Anderson, there at the moment are competing chants as Crist supporters in pink t-shirts carry indicators studying “For Choice, for Charlie” and shout: “This is what democracy looks like” and “No Charlie, no choice.”

Across the road, DeSantis supporters are carrying massive DeSantis indicators and U.S. flags, chanting “Four more years.” Reporter Anthony Man of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports one lady is shouting: “Baby killers are in the house.”

Police are strolling between the loud supporters.

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